Mann in Court

10 thoughts on “Mann in Court”

  1. Terrific, the least that can be done to restore the balance. These people should not be allowed to get away with the lies and deceit they spread.

    I hope the court throws the book at Ball.

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    1. Ricki. Right on the money – we can’t let our society be held hostage by a bunch of criminal liars. That is what it amounts to.

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  2. Janama. Who is the ignorant one – you or the several thousand scientists, academies and Nobel laureates? Interesting ponderable.

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  3. I think Muller’s statement, “Mike’s trick consisted of erasing that data, calling it unreliable, and then substituting the temperature data from thereon” and his claims that the raw data weren’t available to the public prior to “climategate” shows quite clearly that he hasn’t got the foggiest clue what he’s talking about, so why exactly should we care what he thinks of the situation?

    The fact that he’s willing to accuse other scientists of wrongdoing based on a situation that he hasn’t taken the time to try to comprehend says a lot about his science and principles.

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    1. This is pretty typical I am afraid. One of the greatest struggles that science has right now is to how to engage with a debate where one side depends on the facts and the other on mythology and fundamentalist rhetoric. At some point, this has be taken to task, which is the point of the Mann court case. For too long, denialists and false sceptics supported by fossil fuel interests have got away with lies and deceit that have gone unpunished.

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  4. Ove – don’t come with an argument from Authority – as someone who has been supported with millions of tax payer funding over many years you’ve got a hide to accuse Steve McIntyre, who discovered the Mann “trick”, of big oil funding. He’s denied any such thing.

    His exposure of Mann was not mythology or fundamentalist rhetoric – it was real science and if you can’t see the fraud then you haven’t been following it and aren’t qualified to comment.

    In fact it’s highly likely that you are in receipt of big oil funding due to the donations to your University from Fossil Fuel companies!

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    1. Janama. Mann is a great scientist who has been victimized by people like McIntyre. That is what the public record says. How do you know different?

      Re: me. Millions of dollars of taxpayers money? That sounds like you’re calling me corrupt. Are you?

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  5. Of course I am not calling you corrupt.

    McIntyre and Ross McKittrick were not out to victimise Michael Mann – they requested his data which is perfectly acceptable scientific practice – they became suspicious when Mann refused to pass it on. When he was eventually forced to produce it it was found to be faulty as Professor Muller points out clearly in the video I posted above.

    Dr Judith Curry and the various leading scientists who regularly visit her blog also came to the obvious conclusion that Mann was corrupt because he was prepared to corrupt his science to reach his desired conclusion. Read the damn blog Ove – not one scientist is prepared to defend Mann in this regard. Maybe you should come forward and publish Mann’s defence – good luck.

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    1. Phew … And I thought you were hostile!

      As for Dr Curry … all well and good but why have the independent investigations of Mann come to very different conclusions?

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